Talk:Measuring the howard stern effect

Hi, a couple of points. Just as its fanciful for Stern to claim he can control a voting block it is equally problematic, as it is currently reads, to attribute swings to Bush as being solely attributable to a reaction against Stern. I doubt that is what you intend more that "Stern made this silly claim but here's what happened". If this is the case a little re-wording is necessary to make clear Stern's claims aren't really taken seriously. Also currently there are no references to Stern's original claim or in support of the statement that media reports took his claims seriously. Cheers --Bob Burton 18:35, 8 Mar 2005 (EST)

the methodology is wrong
the methodology used to come up with this conjecture isn't even close to being statistically correct.


 * 1) The correlation between the difference in Bush's 2000/2004 election results and the "Stern Effect" has not been proven here whatsoever.  i personally find it questionable:
 * 2) Bush did better overall in pct of votes received between 2000-2004. Where is the adjustment for this?
 * 3) Where is the control case of {No Stern}? AND What is the justification for the validity of the control case's figures when offered?
 * 4) Stern's entry into the 2004 presidential race came rather late in the election cycle (late spring 2004, i believe), and yet no figures are offered for Bush polling in the states given before and after Stern's involvement.
 * 5) Once again, there would need to be a control case of {No Stern} offered with proper rationales for its use.
 * 6) There would also still need to be adjustments made for bush's overall performance countrywide, or at least in non-stern markets before making any statistical claims regarding the "Stern Effect".
 * 7) The simple fact that the poster of this article's sue_doe is mancowfan(or whatever) is an obvious bias against any rational arguments regarding Stern being posted under this sue_doe. (Addendum Sorry Bob, i forget you're from down under sometimes, and i do not know how familiar you are with mancow or stern.  Mancow is basically a Stern wannabe, who has never even come close to challenging stern in overlapping markets, and is probably salivating over stern's impending move to satellite.)
 * 8) a part of the "Stern Effect" that should not be overlooked, but within my datastream has never been addressed is his ability to bring one of the largest and fastest growing BB's i have ever seen onto the web. I am not a Stern fan, but have friends who are.  I am not a Stern antifan either.  I did, however, join the BB eariler than most of his fans, and was able to wach from the inside the as the demand to join the BB far outstripped the web-provider's ability to supply the demand, and i am not sure as to the total individual membership count, but know that within three months, it was over 200,000, amybe even much greater than that.
 * 9) Ana ???, aka the blogger "wonkette", has done a recent Wired piece regarding the "Stern Efffect", which mentioned a very valid reason for its lack of poweer; Stern's entry into the 2004 election cycle is viewed largely as a self-serving purpose.  He didn't care before the FCC went after his cojones, or to put it in a stern POV, his billfold.  He was seen as hypocritical by many of his fans, and by many of us who were not fans, but pol-junkies looking for a new board to spout, as a uninformed moron when it came to the son of bush.

I will look for the url to the Ana ???, Wired piece, as well as her real name for the cite, but personally feel that this article, as presently written is worthless, and should be heavily revised, or simply removed.

--Hugh Manatee 22:14, 8 Mar 2005 (EST)

Ana Marie Cox Stern Story cite plus plug
Ana Marie Cox(aka Wonkette), Howard Stern and the Satellite Wars, Wired, March 2005. It offers a much better take on the Stern Effect.

If you are unfamiliar with Wonkette, two current (2005.03.08) posts:


 * When Eric Met Paul... - When we read a story that begins with "The Nation’s Eric Alterman spent some face time with old spit ‘do, Paul Wolfowitz," we want it to end with "and the police were still scraping their body parts off the walls days later." So disappointing to find they're both still alive at the evening. As Gawker put it, "The Alter Man and the Wolf Man actually had a nice conversation, covering everything from the roots of neocon thinking to Iraqi bloggers. Apparently they’re gonna go halvsies on a weekend share in the Hamtons this summer."


 * Playgirl Editor Not Ashamed - The editor of Playgirl has come "out" as a Republican. Since being the editor of Playgirl is way more embarrassing, we're not sure what the big deal is. Anyhow, we were interested in her take on ideology in the bedroom: "The Democrats of the Sixties were all about making love and not war while a war-loving Republican is a man who would fight, bleed, sacrifice, and die for his country. Could you imagine what that very same man would do for his wife in the bedroom?" Gee, great question. Plant a flag in her head? Frag her?