Talk:Plamegate: Beyond Karl Rove

Maynard and AI discuss the relevance of the article
The latest addition to this article contributed nothing, which, obviously, was the intention, M. What's the problem? Artificial Intelligence 05:51, 16 Jul 2005 (EDT)

I fear, dear AI, that perhaps you've become victim of the vast rot-wing conspiracy which having mastered control of the general corporate media, are now carefully manipulating the liberal blogosphere into precipitating more confusion than anything else by creating vast webs of intrigue rather than simple clear lines of reasoning; and by diluting real core content with "-gate" fluff and other distractions which appear as immature as they are irrelevant to those minds most in need of understanding the situation rather than being provided with a seiche of opportunity to support their running attitude of derision toward all things "liberal". In other words, I'm generally feeling disappointed by seeing far more quantity than quality. And I'm sincerely concerned that it might be dangerously counter-productive. Since you asked :)

It just appears to be so, .... .... partisan. Maynard


 * When confronted with comments here in SW that put me at a loss for words, I always revert to the following I discovered while attempting to understand SW criticism: Artificial Intelligence 11:20, 17 Jul 2005 (EDT)


 * Wiki Manners / WikiWisdom:
 * Please don't assume that the readers of this site are idiots, and that you have a duty to the rest of us to protect us all from material you consider wrong-headed or nonsense. We're smart people here, and we can decide for ourselves what is wheat and what is chaff.


 * Content generally accepted to be poor (ill founded, nonsensical, biased or badly written) should be improved by being rewritten, and if necessary removed in whole or part from within an article, not just left to clutter the place up and make it hard to find more well written material.


 * This also applies to articles linked to. It is not useful to have links to any and all blogs that discuss this. I don't think that is the case at present. However, Maynard, you should be bold and remove links you think are irrelevant, though an explanation of your reasoning would be good. Mememe 09:48, 18 Jul 2005 (EDT)

It's not criticism, it's concern. Maynard


 * A friend, I would presume from the salutation dear AI, would have sent a personal email expressing concern and some friendly advice.


 * Someone intent on spreading an agenda would post it where it can be read by all, then use a "friend" to direct (and redirect) SW viewers to that agenda elsewhere.


 * It just appears so .... .... PaulR.


 * Just call me disappointed. Artificial Intelligence 05:57, 18 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Heh. Yet it was [obviously] public concern, rather than private concern, because ;-} I'm not overconfident of my position on this, and have been actively seeking public dialog about the possibility, if not hypothesis, that "the left" is in great danger of losing focus, grasping at straws, and thereby becoming manipulated by "the rot" into achieving their ends rather than ours. When I start to see "the left" appear to be too loony to be credible; I have concern, and I have hope that I am wrong. &mdash;Maynard

So, let me pose a question for you all, using a specific example from which you should expand and generalize. I don't know which perhaps inconsequential and unqualified blogger printed which "-gate" attribution to which affair attached to the Plame disclosure, but do each and every such instance merit acknowledgement and amplification in SourceWatch? --Maynard 08:33, 18 Jul 2005 (EDT)


 * Thanks for the clarification, Maynard. ;>))))Artificial Intelligence 09:10, 18 Jul 2005 (EDT)


 * This seems a bit harshly phrased and general, Maynard. Are you suggesting that AI has added too many references? Mememe 09:48, 18 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Eric Alterman said something
Eric Alterman makes the point July 15, 2005: "Naturally, the smart guys at The Note take this opportunity to smear Krugman as 'apocalyptic and apoplectic' for telling the truth about the Rove/right-wing/MSM nexus that does so much to misinform Americans about things like unnecessary wars, and McCarthyite attacks on loyal public servants. Read the real thing, here."
 * Why is this relevant? BTW, Krugman's article is also here Mememe 09:48, 18 Jul 2005 (EDT)