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Comment: It is questionable whether or not Dick Morris intended to point to peak oil, as to whether or not peak oil is a valid theory or a reality is obviously still under debate, which is clearly indicated by SW's opposing peak oil and peak oil: we have oil articles. The inference here, I believe, is something quite different, which only Morris could adequately explain and I don't see that anything is served here except supporting peakers vice anti-peakers for making the inference for him. Not sure it is appropriate to put those words in Morris's mouth. IMHO :-) Artificial Intelligence 08:39, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)

"peak oil" is not "out of gas"? "out of gas" is ... "plenty of gas"?

That was not my point. I will not get into a debate with you over this. My point is that you have added emphasis that was not there and have put words into Morris's mouth.

Additionally, to the best of my knowledge, nobody on the planet has actually run "out of gas" although there are quite a few gasbags who need to do so. Artificial Intelligence 09:02, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)

"link" does not equate to "emphasis" and I put no words anywhere; he said "out of gas", not me; what would you like to link it to instead? DU? nothing? fine; what do you think he meant by "out of gas"? what could he have meant?

"peak oil" is not the same thing at all as "out of gas" .. "peak oil" is a theory, nothing more, and I see no constructive purpose in a SW linkage unless you want to promote an unproven theory.

If you really want to know what Morris meant, perhaps you should send him an email and ask him what he meant. I'm not sufficiently clairvoyant to interpret for him. Artificial Intelligence 09:55, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)

"Peak oil" is not a theory; it is a FACT; the only disagreement or uncertainty is as to WHEN it happens. Oil (hydrocarbons) are a finite resource which means that its supply is constantly and irreversably diminishing. At the same time, demand is increasing. It doesn't much matter if you think of it in terms of units (barrels) or in terms of rate (barrels per time). Think of "peak oil" as that ineviatable time when total demand exceeds the capacitiy to supply that demand.

--Maynard 10:56, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Peak oil not a fact
Beliefs are not facts and neither is the theory of peak oil a fact. Reading the opposing views thoroughly should help make your case, if it be viable. Unfortunately, no one has been able to show the chemical mechanism for biogenic oil. Until then, abiogenic oil is still in the contest and renewable oil comes with it.

JH

The origins of the oil is irrelevant. What is relevant is the ability today to supply the demand. There are many indicators of that ability deteriorating, due to increasing demand and concurrent diminishing ability to harvest, refine, and deliver at the same rate. One such indicator in a capitalist economy is the price, which rises when demand outpaces supply, and falls when the supply is greater than the demand. But that's only one of many indicators that demand is factually, actually, in any reality, surpassing the capacity to supply for that demand. Biogenic and abiogenic are both theories. Peak oil is not; it is an equation; it is the intersection of supply and demand; there's no question whether or not it exists, only when.

If you develop a synthetic oil which can increase the supply; or otherwise improve discovery, recovery, and distribution capacities to increase supply; or develop an alternative energy source which can reduce the demand, you'll postpone the peak, possibly indefinitely; but you cannot make it disappear, or turn it into a "theory". --Maynard 18:39, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Don't you find it the least bit coincidental that prices begin falling whenever discussion of a Congressional investigation starts? Also note that prices go up whenever supply is constrained. Big oil shut in wells in the 1970's. Why not today? Especially with the energy industry revolving door politicians in power now. Gee, where's the payoff for all the political corruption we hear so much about? I repeat, take the time to read some of the alternative discussion.

JH