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I am putting the following comment I made on a thread to Iranian.Com in the event that the webmaster deletes it. While claiming nothing is sacred that site regularly censors messages if it doesn't meet an unspoken ideological criteria.

http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/nur/iranian-com-sourcewatched#comment-158984 "Methinks the Rockefeller endowed JJ doth protest too much... by NUR on Mon Apr 06, 2009 08:33 PM PDT (posted to comment section of Iranian.Com)

Jahanshah, you are married to a Baha'i, and this is public information. So whether you believe or do not believe in God, begs the question entirely here, since 1) your personal interests already lean in their direction because of your personal situation and b) especially as these days belief in any higher power beyond institutional power and bureaucracy of the Haifan Baha'i organization is entirely optional. To wit,

"We don't want to be like those people who want to see God with their own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears, because we have been given the gift of being able to see through the eyes of the House of Justice and listen through the ears of the House of Justice." - Bahai Counselor Rebeque Murphy http://media1.bahai.us/tab/Highlights/Sunday/30_Counselor_Murphy_Remarks.mp3

What you don't get, or are deliberately playing naneh man gharibam, as you did at UNM when you wouldn't publish articles by anti-regime activists like me for the Daily Lobo when you edited it, or when you worked for the IRI's Aftab (aka aftabeh) network, is that propaganda and manufactured consent is real and in itself constitutes a narrative of oppression. Sooner than later such narratives will be challenged for what they are - pure propaganda and lies - and usually from within. That you are leaning on the side of an organization with a checkered past shows that you yourself are standing on the wrong side of history, so don't lecture me with de-contextualized platitudes you opportunistically took from Obama's inauguration speech.

Moreover I am an Ex-Bahai and far more qualified than you will ever be in understanding and representing the nature of this community/cult and the factuality of its various narratives and claims. I have interrogated all the evidence for years and what you and your financial endowers claim regarding the so-called persecution of the Baha'is in Iran is an exagerrated propaganda fiction catered specifically towards foreign policy interests and ends of destabilizing Iran - whether under the mullahs or under any other regime. It was the same stew and same bowl (hamin ash va hamin kaseh) under the Shah as well.

And absolutely, history is always on the side of the oppressed, which is why I as a Bayani - a community and creed persecuted by the Baha'is for 145 years - am here testify to the world and to history against them.

Now in case you decide to censor and delete this message, as you have done with others and is your usual penchant going back to your days at the Daily Lobo, I am crossposting this comment to USENET as well as putting it in the discussion log for the Iranian.Com entry on Sourcewatch. Furthemore, since I have your attention, let me challenge you to a live, no holds barred, public debate about this question and the questions hanging over your interests of peddling uncritical support for the Haifan Bahai organization. But knowing you personally, I doubt you will take it.

Ball in your court, JJ. Also, to conclude, think of me as one of your personal demons from the past come back to haunt you with a double vengeance! Sooner or later you will learn that one yourself.

Wahid Azal (the artist formerly known as Nima Hazini who once wrote as Kaveh Ahangar at UNM)"

--Wahid 23:47, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Wahid,

I've been keeping an eyes on this blog since you posted this material there. It does look as though there is a degree of selective editing going on. Some of the material presented in the sourcewatch Baha'i Faith main page has been picked up on, and when I checked the blog, this has been posted on there.

http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/nur/iranian-com-sourcewatched

first hand Baha'i material by sophia on Mon Apr 06, 2009 09:18 PM PDT

You have now deleted this material that I posted once. Remember,as you have publicly stated, "Nothing is Sacred". first hand Baha'i material by sophia on Mon Apr 06, 2009 08:39 PM PDT

Hi Jahanshah, If this true about your stance on the matter, please allow these links to stay, under the understanding that some people would approach this material critically. I would also invite commentary on these publications. The document (available as PDF download at the links below), is entitled "The Spiritual Conquest of the Planet", and divides up the spread of the faith under the Universal House of Justice into extensive two, four five, ten year plans. It originates from a Baha'i publisher officially connected with the Ruhi Institute, and is comprised of official statements, correspondences and references from the Universal House of Justice. I will provide no initial commentary on this article, but rather allow it to stand by itself. If free and fair investigation of truth is allowed, then something from the Haifan Baha'is own widely available writings should pose no problem.

(http://www.palabrapublications.info/books/train.html): "The Spiritual Conquest of the Planet. Systematic Unfoldment of the Divine Plan. Unfoldment of the Bahá’í Faith. Our Response to Plans." www.palabrapublications.info/list/pdf/scp_handout.pdf With extended material here: http://www.palabrapublications.info/list/etext.html#scp Also buy the book here. http://www.amazon.com/spiritual-conquest-planet-re... http://www.palabrapublications.info/list/over.html Philosophy "Palabra Publications is an organization dedicated to the production  and dissemination of teaching, deepening, and training institute  course materials at low costs. These materials strive to address the  spiritual education needs of diverse peoples with a variety of books,  such as those described below." http://www.palabrapublications.info/books/train.html Training Institute Materials At the request of the Ruhi Institute, Palabra Publications is helping  to make its materials available worldwide in English, Spanish, French, Persian and Arabic. Several other organizations are also authorized to distribute the materials in these five languages. You can find out more by clicking here. This publisher also distributes numerous other UHJ materials,  including  Messages from the Universal House of Justice Turning Point  Selected Messages of the Universal House of Justice  and Supplementary Material  1996–2006 Beginning with the Four Year Plan in 1996, the Universal House of  Justice set a new course in the teaching work for individuals, communities, and institutions. “The next four years,” the Supreme Body  wrote, “will represent an extraordinary period in the history of our  Faith, a turning point of epochal magnitude.” So potent were the  implications of that Plan, that its single aim of advancing the  process of entry by troops was carried forward into a series of plans,  to span twenty-five years until the end the first century of the Formative Age in 2021. This book contains selected messages from the  Universal House of Justice and other documents that guided the  learning process of the Bahá’í world over the course of a decade, from  1996-2006, resulting in profound changes in consciousness and systematic action. By the end of this period, the House of Justice  concluded, “The elements required for a concerted effort to infuse the  diverse regions of the world with the spirit of Bahá’u’lláh’s  Revelation have crystallized into a framework for action that now  needs only to be exploited.” The book is divided into three parts. Part I includes forty messages  from the Universal House of Justice, from December 26, 1995 to Ridván 2006. Part II involves an exploration of particular themes, such as  “Learning in Action,” “Learning to Maintain Focus,” and “Learning to  Administer Growth,” that includes copious extracts from messages  written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to individuals and National Assemblies. Part III contains a number of supporting  documents from this period which were approved by the House of Justice  or prepared by the International Teaching Centre, such as “Training  Institutes” and “Building Momentum.” This volume serves as a  significant resource, tracing the evolution of thought over this  important period and outlining the essential concepts that guide  current activities for expansion and consolidation in clusters worldwide. Through continued study and reflection on these and other  materials, Bahá’ís will gain a clearer vision of the “methodological  pattern of functioning” and the culture of learning that has come to  characterize the efforts of Bahá’í individuals, institutions, and communities. Author: Compilation  Price: $12.00 DOWNLOAD PDF The Five Year Plan, 2006-2011, 2nd edition  Messages of the Universal House of Justice This compilation contains letters of the Universal House of Justice initiating the Five Year Plan 2006-2011. At this time the Bahá’ís of  the world enter the midpoint of that series of Plans, beginning in  1996 and continuing for a quarter century until the year 2021, which all focus on a single aim—advancing the process of entry by troops. The compilation includes the Ridván 2006 letter, the Ridván 2005  letter and three letters from December 2005: the letter dated 27  December 2005, to the Conference of the Continental Boards of  Counsellors; the letter dated 28 December 2005, to all National  Spiritual Assemblies; and the letter dated 31 December 2005, to the Bahá’ís of the World. Author: Compilation  Price: $1.00 DOWNLOAD PDF The Five Year Plan, 2001-2006  Messages from the Universal House of Justice This compilation contains the letters of the Universal House of  Justice that trace the efforts of the Bahá’í world after the Four Year Plan, through the Twelve Month Plan, and into the Five Year Plan. It  also includes an appendix offering the document, “Building Momentum,”  prepared by the International Teaching Centre in April 2003 to assess the progress of the Plan’s first two years. Author: Compilation

--Atomised 00:37, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

This material has now been removed (wow!-quick-but funnily enough, your comments are still there!). However, I saved a web archive of the page before the material was removed for future reference. This looks like one to watchAtomised 00:43, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Wow! Keeping an eye on the thread and sure enough, out come a whole load of people with some serious ad hominen, pulling out the "axe to grind", "biased", and as you've pointed out elsewhere, serious shooting the messenger/questioning their sanity- the whole nine yards! Classic. Will be interesting to see if the other posters comments stay. Has this deletion pattern been an ongoing issue with you? Cheers--Atomised 01:20, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Edits by User Jahanshah
Hi Jahanshah,

Please do not change correctly referenced material here. If you wish to alter these statistics, please change them at the Iranian.com site first, rather than leaving an incorrect reference on the page. Obviously, if these appear correctly referenced according to the link, no problem, but until this appears as updated statistic on your site, please leave the material as it is. Please also provide an explanation if you are going to change correctly referenced material. --Atomised 07:11, 7 April 2009 (EDT)